Some are doubting Lightning Bear was in SW

Discussion in 'Autograph Collecting' started by Sevb30, May 11, 2008.

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  1. Sevb30

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  2. AmShak

    AmShak Senior Moderator Staff Member

    I'm aware of the speculations but I am not aware of any official word from Lucasfilm. He was at C4 which is an official event and you would think that they would take special care in this area.

    I'm not sure that anyone other than Lucasfilm can ever verify or deny this question. So it is going to come down to the individual to make their on determination until they do. The last time that i had any words with Lightning Bear, this was not a topic he was very happy with and his basic response was "i know what i did". Meaning that he knows he was in the movies and i left it at that.

    I too have several items signed by Lightning Bear and I have given away quite a few items here at the site that were signed by him.

    For myself, I am going to take his word for it but it is unlikely that i will be giving away anything else signed by him through the site.

    My personal experience with Bear has been very positve and it would be a shame to find out that he was not part of the movies but it's also a shame to see people drag his name down, if he was.
     
  3. Holla300

    Holla300 The Best Bounty

    I am no expert but you make a valid point when you said he was at C4 and its an official event. Its Official so I think he was there for a reason.
     
  4. Jedi_Joel

    Jedi_Joel Agent

    But what about Hal "the Sham" Wamsley? He was signing at C1. Just because they're there, doesn't make them legit.
     
  5. Sevb30

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  7. Pedge Jameson

    Pedge Jameson Falls down for no reason.

    How dare you Joel, just look at the evidence.
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    :p
     
  8. Pedge Jameson

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  9. Pedge Jameson

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    More evidence!!
     
  10. darthskellington

    darthskellington Dark Lord of the Typos

    I agree with AmShak on this. The whole scenario is an unfortunate situation. Whether he is the victim of false accusations, or the fans are the victims of fraud, it is unfortunate.

    As others have pointed out in the Rebelscum thread, Bear is a very kind and pleasant person to meet, who has signed for free ttm for years. He has also been a guest of this forum in the past. Out of respect for this, I would like to make a personal request to everyone that we please not turn this thread into a total Bear bashing event.

    I too am displeased with the doubts this brings up. Please continue with any debate, concern, or opinions you may have. As a precaution, I'd just like to ask that as fellow Bothans we keep our boards civil. :)
     
  11. Pedge Jameson

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    Free TTM does not make a difference if it's not true. Does that mean I can go around signing as the owl in Harry Potter if I don't charge? If the wool has been pulled over the eyes of fans it doesnt matter whether the autographs were free or 20 dollars.
    The IMDB page is absolutely ridiculous for him to be in all of these major Hollywood productions and not be credited at all. And the bio surely is overly bloated as a vanity page. And quite possibly false at that. If that page was on Wikipedia it would have been yanked off in minutes.
    But I guess I will just keep my opinions to myself and see how this turns out.
    I may be putting my foot in my mouth in the end but I calls 'em as I see's em.
     
  12. Sevb30

    Sevb30 New Recruit

    I just don't get why the convention organizers "feet" have not been held to the fire over this. They need to check people out for proof.
     
  13. Pedge Jameson

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    According to the articles on Echo Station, Hal Wamsley talks his way into having booth owners allow him to sit in to sign photos he brought himself to conventions. So who knows?
     
  14. AmShak

    AmShak Senior Moderator Staff Member

    Sitting in a dealers booth signing autograhs and being invited as a media guest at an "official" event, is hardly the same thing. Also, comparing the organizers of CI with that of CIV is also not the same. The guys running the show at CIV have been doing this too long to make that kind of mistake. this is what makes it all the worse, if Lighting Bear is not what he says he is.

    This is the point Sevb30 is trying to make .... Any organizer who promotes someone as something that they are not, is just as accountable. At this point Official Pix needs to step up and admit to the mistake or provide the needed information support their claim.
     
  15. Pedge Jameson

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    Just a thought, but anyone actually thought maybe we could even ask the folks who sign for us? If Kenny Baker maybe could tell us if a 15 year old, 4"8 kid (Hal Wamsley) was dressed as a Jawa. "They" were in a crucial scene involving R2's abduction.
    But I bet Kenny probably would not want to get involved in this. Which I wouldn't blame him.

    AmShak, Lighting Bear was an official guest? Who's the promoter for it again? I'm not too much into conventions. Which is another point.

    Conventions are becoming a sleeze haven. Theater recorded bootleg copies of Sci-FI films and even porn.
    You'll never catch me at one of these. PAX, (The guys from Penny Arcade) need to do what they did to save Gaming conventions and do it for SCI-FI.
     
  16. AmShak

    AmShak Senior Moderator Staff Member

    from http://www.starwars.com/community/event/celebration/news20070131.html


    from http://www.officialpix.com/


    from http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Philip_Wise
    Ther "official" site also mentions Lightning Bear
    http://www.starwars.com/community/event/celebration/news20070601.html
    http://www.starwars.com/community/event/celebration/news20070216b.html


    I'm not here to defend Lightning Bear, i'm just trying to balance this topic. If Bear is a fraud, then it needs to be made known. At this moment, this seems more like a witch hunt. Stick a carrot on his nose and see if he floats.
     
  17. Pedge Jameson

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    Like I said, I may be inserting foot in mouth and will honestly feel bad if he's vindicated.
    But right now it's not looking good.
    Although I am rooting for him to prove us wrong, as harsh as I may seem in my posts.
     
  18. Sevb30

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    On the rebelscum thread, it was now confirmed that Peter Mayhew remembered Lightning Bear on the set of ROTJ.
     
  19. AmShak

    AmShak Senior Moderator Staff Member

    From http://threads.rebelscum.com/showfl...ge=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=93&fpart=1#3216480

    Ben Stevens quote
     
  20. Bounty CK

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    This case just like Cy Town.I remember I got items back with a short note.Said he was not any sw characters.He just one of 1000 casts of stormtrooper in a ROTJ scene but he didn't tell me what scene.So still not sure he was in SW or not ;)
     
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