Battlestar Galactica Discussion - Season 2 - Episode 20 - "Lay Down Your Burdens, p2"
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I was totally blown away with this ending, hopefully they don't lose focus on what they're doing because I remember Alias doing a time jump and that resulted IMO the show losing it's way and become just another 1 problem to be solved per episode show.
Kara and Helo vow to keep fighting till the very end and that's about it.Borsk said:
I was totally blown away with this ending, hopefully they don't lose focus on what they're doing because I remember Alias doing a time jump and that resulted IMO the show losing it's way and become just another 1 problem to be solved per episode show.
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I'm not sure that I agree with this, but some people are suggesting that everything that happened in the time jump was Baltar's dream.
I thought it was pretty crazy that: A) Adama let the Galactica fall apart like that B) Galactica and Pegasus jumped away to leave everyone behind.
For whatever reason, I didn't expect Dean Stockwell (the priest) to be a cylon. After you know that he is, it seems obvious that they would make the big name guest star be a cylon. I dunno. I thought he was human last week.
I'm not sure that I agree with this, but some people are suggesting that everything that happened in the time jump was Baltar's dream.
I thought it was pretty crazy that: A) Adama let the Galactica fall apart like that B) Galactica and Pegasus jumped away to leave everyone behind.
For whatever reason, I didn't expect Dean Stockwell (the priest) to be a cylon. After you know that he is, it seems obvious that they would make the big name guest star be a cylon. I dunno. I thought he was human last week.
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B. It's not really crazy if you recall that Galactica barely had enough to form a training squadron, let alone keep the ship operational. You also saw how long it took the entire BS to report in as ready, when it takes that long to have a ready status, you won't be the least bit effective in protecting the settlement. So it didn't really make sense to needlessly throw away lives that will have little effect on the pre-determined outcome.
A. Well what exactly could Adama do about the fleet being undermanned and disrepair? In reality, not too much becuase the military is a professional one, not a conscripted one, so he can't just easily swoop down to New Caprica and whisk away a handful of people when needed. Baltar also issued an executive order mandating a settlement be established planetside, which to a majority of the fleet was very enticing as they have been on the run for nearly a year and have lost a sense of home.Borsk said:
B. It's not really crazy if you recall that Galactica barely had enough to form a training squadron, let alone keep the ship operational. You also saw how long it took the entire BS to report in as ready, when it takes that long to have a ready status, you won't be the least bit effective in protecting the settlement. So it didn't really make sense to needlessly throw away lives that will have little effect on the pre-determined outcome.
Well that was their idea, to keep you guessing. I had an feeling that he might of been a Cylon last week when he started talking about how the gods had forsaken the fleet, etc, not the type of phrases you'd expect from a religious leader.Borsk said:
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I was pointing out that it is crazy to take away resources from the military when there are cylons trying to hunt down and kill them. So... I don't understand how Adama would have let it get to the point that they couldn't effectively guard the settlement. Maybe Baltar made him do it. But, then again, Adama had no problems defying Roslin - why couldn't he defy Baltar.
As far as Adama and Apollo taking their ships and leaving. I don't disagree that it was the right thing to do from a tactical standpoint. But, it's just amazing that it got to that point.
If the whole thing isn't just Baltar's dream, then I think next season will have quite a few interesting storylines.
I was pointing out that it is crazy to take away resources from the military when there are cylons trying to hunt down and kill them. So... I don't understand how Adama would have let it get to the point that they couldn't effectively guard the settlement. Maybe Baltar made him do it. But, then again, Adama had no problems defying Roslin - why couldn't he defy Baltar.
As far as Adama and Apollo taking their ships and leaving. I don't disagree that it was the right thing to do from a tactical standpoint. But, it's just amazing that it got to that point.
If the whole thing isn't just Baltar's dream, then I think next season will have quite a few interesting storylines.
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And AmShak, when are you going to join the discussion, or did you not watch this episode?
I didn't mean Adama bought into it, rather a majority of the fleet including both Military and Civie Personnel did, and probably resulted in them abandoning their posts for a life on New Caprica. It also wouldn't surprise me in the least if Baltar encouraged it too. Anyways, how would Adama stop the exodus of people?Borsk said:
And AmShak, when are you going to join the discussion, or did you not watch this episode?
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It's like the part in a scary movie where the girl runs upstairs to get away from the killer. Adama could have left and taken his crew with him the moment Baltar was elected. The notion that they can settle anywhere and be safe from the Cylons is idiotic. Especiallly when they still have Cylon agents in the fleet.
I'm not mad at the show for doing this. It was a great episode and I think it will create some interesting situations in future episodes. But, it just makes the characters seem dumb. Adama seemed to give up on his core values and went along with everyone else (doing what was popular instead of what was right).
It's like the part in a scary movie where the girl runs upstairs to get away from the killer. Adama could have left and taken his crew with him the moment Baltar was elected. The notion that they can settle anywhere and be safe from the Cylons is idiotic. Especiallly when they still have Cylon agents in the fleet.
I'm not mad at the show for doing this. It was a great episode and I think it will create some interesting situations in future episodes. But, it just makes the characters seem dumb. Adama seemed to give up on his core values and went along with everyone else (doing what was popular instead of what was right).
i haven't said anything because i'm not sure what to make of this last episode.
it was suggested that this was a dream... baltar's i would assume. i will be disapointed if it does turn out to be a dream.
if it were a dream, it would explain why adama didn't do anything.
if it were a dream, it would make the dean stockwell character more interesting if they brought him back (is he a cylon or was he just one in a dream)
this show seems to like to use the "flash-back" (i'm not a big fan of this) and it seems that they have run out of "good" flash-back stuff..... this would certainly give them the chance to do a ton of flash-backs over the last year ... if it is not a dream.
either way, i don't much care for it. the dream theory seems cheesy but the alternative isn't good either ... it's like they are starting all over again.
it was suggested that this was a dream... baltar's i would assume. i will be disapointed if it does turn out to be a dream.
if it were a dream, it would explain why adama didn't do anything.
if it were a dream, it would make the dean stockwell character more interesting if they brought him back (is he a cylon or was he just one in a dream)
this show seems to like to use the "flash-back" (i'm not a big fan of this) and it seems that they have run out of "good" flash-back stuff..... this would certainly give them the chance to do a ton of flash-backs over the last year ... if it is not a dream.
either way, i don't much care for it. the dream theory seems cheesy but the alternative isn't good either ... it's like they are starting all over again.
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Right, 12 models total, but I believe Sharon stated that 8 of the models are in the fleet. 5 of those 8 have been discovered. 3, 5, 6, 8 and Cavil. This leaves 3 that are hidden in the fleet still.
Right, 12 models total, but I believe Sharon stated that 8 of the models are in the fleet. 5 of those 8 have been discovered. 3, 5, 6, 8 and Cavil. This leaves 3 that are hidden in the fleet still.
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However, I got to thinking, perhaps they found the rest of them during the year that we haven't seen yet. Half of next season will probably be flashback city.
Yup, I had forgotten that episode. That still leaves at least 2 Cylons among the fleet. That's still enough of a reason to stay on guard.Jedi_Joel said:
However, I got to thinking, perhaps they found the rest of them during the year that we haven't seen yet. Half of next season will probably be flashback city.